Thinkpoints "Atheists Contratdict themselves"

"Atheists Contradict Themselves" by a blogger named Thinkpoint. He is a Pastor for a church in PA. He says a few things that bothered me. So I made some comments. When recently I got an email notification for a new comment and his reply. I was back here again. So instead of answering me on his blog, he decided to email me. I thought this would make an interesting post. I will email Thinkpoint to let him know. This way he can join in or see what we think.
"Your militant un or non belief begs quite a number of questions. For example, consider that, ‘Unbelief would be untenable without the moral and metaphysical capital created and banked by the belief it displaced.” This is part of a comment from his blog.

Part of my response. "Unbelief? Are you kidding? That is possibly the dumbest thing stated ever! So lets get this straight. You think if I do not believe in pink vampire trolls that stalk infant bunnies. That my unbelief creates pink vampire trolls that stalk infant bunnies, because it needs something to displace. So now you believe in pink vampire trolls that stalk infant bunnies. That is your logic. Wow. I never realized how much power my unbelief had."

He responded with. "

Response to NoGuyintheSky:

OK, that was cute but cute won’t cut it for well-reasoned discussion. For one who “doesn’t believe” you become quite exercised by suggestions of flawed logic. If you’re analysis is right (and not just cute), guys like Dawkins are crazier than I thought. My beliefs are based on substantiated logic not wish fulfillment. I believe the universe and humans are the product of intelligent design. Any other belief/thinking is just silly and irrational. But one’s belief or unbelief does not in itself validate anything. There must be well-reasoned logic and solid evidence. Really—easter bunnies and such—you can do better than that."

I responded and he comment moderated it. I can not remember what I said. :( So he emailed me with a heading ENOUGH.

His email. "Your inability to deal honestly with history and truth tells me that you have used whatever you desire to convince yourself you are right. This tells me that you really are not as sure as you think you are. If you need evidence, study your hand or eye or ear. If that isn’t enough, consider the darkness of your own heart, your need for forgiveness and inability to transcend the inevitability of death. All humans in all places at all times share these in common."

I responded back.

Thinkpoint,
You are a turtle living in a shell. Stick your neck out and learn something of your very own special religion. I spoke the truth in everything I said. Point out where I am wrong. Solid evidence, you and I, oh ya the whole world knows you do not have. You have been lying on your blog. That is not honest. What would it matter to some one who believes in the holy free pass. You do not even know his real name. A pastor and this is in a field that should be your expertise. You see god because you lack knowledge. Hand eyes and ears oh my.

The only thing with history, I can think you are referring to is Hitler being Christian. Make no mistake. He was Christian. Died Christian. He and his mom were buried Christian. The germans in a whole were mostly Christian. Those Christians that ran the camps. Gas chambers. Good Christian ignorant values. Kill Jews. Which is why they were OK with it. Christians forget Jesus was supposed to be a Jew. In case Christians cant understand their own story. FYI - Jesus never died. Gods do not die. Never for a second would he be dead. At best if Jesus was a god, he pulled a parlor trick on his ignorant minions. Since he did not die. Whose sins got covered? heh.

I am not affraid to live or die. I do not cower to fictitious deities. I am an adult. I am mature enough to know I have one life. Just like all creatures. Including you.

Well you chickened out supplying evidence. Maybe you need to ask for forgiveness. Lying that you had it. Deceiving the internet with false hope. Just like you are wrong with all of the above mentioned, you are wrong about atheists and morality.

If you want to man up, and apologize. If you need help with finding information etc. You know where I am.

Well this is his version of evidence.

Hitler a Christian? You obviously do not even know what it means to be a Christian. Do you know what the word means. And the whole name of God thing also betrays you for speaking about things you do not understand. Do you know Hebrew Aramaic and Greek? Have you studied these languages?

You’re like the person who refuses to believe that people have walked on the moon. Nothing will change your mind because you do not want evidence. Once you have concluded that people cannot walk on the moon, nothing will change your mind. Not photographs of astronauts walking on the moon nor interviews with astronauts who were there. Here are eight reason it is hard to be an a-THEIST.


1. An atheist assigns himself to life without ultimate purpose.

Yes, atheists enjoy many smaller meanings of life– like friendship and love, pleasure and sorrow, Mozart and Plato. But to be consistent with his atheism, he cannot allow for ultimate meaning. Yet, if the atheist is honest, he will admit to feeling that there is something more to existence -something bigger. Someone said, “The blazing evidence for immortality is our dissatisfaction with any other solution.” According to Scripture, God has, “set eternity in the hearts of men” (Ecclesiastes 3:11). To maintain his position, the atheist must suppress the feeling that there is more to life than what is temporal. But the atheist encounters many other difficulties.

2. The atheist must suppress the demands of logic.

He is like the man who finds an encyclopedia lying in the woods and refuses to believe it is the product of intelligent design. Everything about the book suggests intelligent cause. But, if he accepted such a possibility, he might be forced to conclude that living creatures composed of millions of DNA-controlled cells (each cell containing the amount of information in an encyclopedia) have an intelligent cause. His controlling bias against God will not allow him to accept this.

3. Yet, ironically, the atheist has to believe in miracles without believing in God.

Why? Well, one law that nature seems to obey is this: whatever begins to exist is caused to exist. The atheist knows that the universe began to exist and since the universe is, according to the atheist, all there is, the very existence of the universe seems to be a colossal violation of the laws of nature (i.e., a miracle). It’s hard to believe in miracles without God.

4. An atheist must also suppress all notions of morality.

He is not able to declare any quality to be morally superior to another. Such admissions require an absolute standard of goodness and duty. Without this, there is no basis for an atheist to declare peace better than war or love better than hate. These are simply alternative choices without moral superiority. The atheist is stuck believing that morality has no claim on you or anyone else.

5. In fact, the atheist must conclude that evil is an illusion.

For there to be evil, there must also be some real, objective standard of right and wrong. But if the physical universe is all there is, there can be no such standard (How could arrangements of matter and energy make judgments about good and evil true?). So, there are no real evils, just violations of human customs or conventions. How hard it would be to think of murderers as merely having bad manners.

6. The atheist must also live with the arrogance of his position.

Although he realizes that he does not possess total knowledge, his assertion that there is no God requires that he pretend such knowledge. Although he has limited experience, he must convince himself that he has total experience so that he can eliminate the possibility of God. It is not easy to hold the arrogant assertions required by atheism in a society that requires blind tolerance of every ideology.

7. The atheist must also deny the validity of historical proof.

If he accepted the standard rules for testing the truth claims of historical documents, he would be forced to accept the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead. The account of Jesus’ resurrection is strongly validated by standard rules for judging historical accuracy. The extensive manuscript evidence of eyewitnesses to the resurrection is presented in an unbiased, authentic manner. It is the atheist’s anti-supernatural bias that keeps him from allowing history to prove anything.

8. Finally, the atheist must admit that human beings are not importantly different from other animals.

According to the atheist, we are simply the result of blind chance operating on the primordial ooze, and differing from animals by only a few genes. Yet, the wonders of human achievement and the moral dignity we ascribe to human beings just do not fit with the claim that we are no different than the animals. The realities of human creativity, love, reason, and moral value seem to indicate that humans are creatures uniquely made in the image of God.
The atheist’s problem with belief in God is not an absence of evidence but suppression of it. “For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities–his eternal power and divine nature–have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools” (Romans 1:20-22).



Well what do you think?